#26 08-06-2009 23:44:54

Sophie Cole
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Carla Holroyd wrote:

Thanks for organising these swims Dennis.  Hope to come on Friday 8th if I can brave the cold!!

Carla, do you not remember our last adventures sea swimming? your goggles broke and i had to hold on to Dennis' feet! Good luck to you! xxx

 

#27 12-06-2009 15:23:57

Tim Warner
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I can do Saturday AND Sunday this weekend. 4pm both days.

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#28 12-06-2009 16:35:09

Paul Kerrison
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That's good! Tim i will see you there on sunday

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#29 13-06-2009 18:47:31

Anna Anderson
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Hi Tim,

I hope to be there on Sunday too if thats ok and you don't mind guiding me along again..... thanks

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#30 15-06-2009 12:24:01

Dennis Warner
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Sea Swim this evening (Monday 15th). Usual place. 1,500m swim target distance.

Meet by ramp at 17:30

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#31 15-06-2009 14:09:13

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I'm 12 hr nights all this week is anybody going earlier? neutral

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#32 16-06-2009 06:29:29

Dennis Warner
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Next sea swim (and probably last before the Harwich Tri) will be Wednesday morning at 07:30. The weather is generally calmer then.
Had a visit from the coastguard yesterday, someone reported a person in trouble out at sea fully clothed.
I suspect it was one of us and a member of the public with an over-active imagination. So if you do swim, don't wear formal clothing and try to look at least as if you know what you're doing.
Perhaps if we all swim together someone will report a mass suicide attempt by the sea-lion impersonation society. smile

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#33 16-06-2009 07:59:15

Carla Holroyd
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Hi Dennis

I was cycling the course yesterday evening and saw the coastguard with flashing lights.  I thought it might be one of you in trouble because it was the right sort of time!! At least no one was in trouble (it could easily have been me)!! I will try and come tomorrow at 7.30 if I can get up early enough to walk dogs beforehand!!

Carla

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#34 16-06-2009 13:27:27

Jason Meachen
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I'm wondering if they thought the person in trouble was me! although I had a bright swim hat and black wetsuit on.
I did see a lady swimming about 30 yards out when i was running along trying to find the others but seemed to be swimming about ok.

I'll be down tommorrow morning for 07.30 as i'll be day off work. Hope its calm so i can try and improve my technique ! lol  - the vaseline also seemed to do its job.

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#35 22-06-2009 10:16:39

Mark Rutter
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

yep, I'll be there on Friday - do you fancy doing the full monty (the 1500 tri route that is)

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#36 22-06-2009 12:26:03

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I hope to be able to make it, if i can i would be up for a full monty :0

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#37 23-06-2009 06:41:12

Tim Warner
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Okay, time to 'fess up. Dennis and I don't agree the 'full monty' is only 1500m. Dennis, being an old salty sea-dog, has measured with angles and magic spells from the land and makes it 1500m. I grabbed images from google earth and measured them with a ruler and think it's well over 1700m.

I didn't want to mention my doubts to many people before the event for fear of putting off Anna and Carla.

Does anyone know a way of measuring it definitively? Don't worry, it wont change the route for next year as I don't know where else we could put the swimmers in the water.

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#38 23-06-2009 06:57:33

Dennis Warner
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Best way to check is to give Harv a garmin (not mine as I don't want it covered in salt water) and send him out on a mission. I think it may be a little long too, but like to overtrain. When I do other 1500m swims it seems like a doddle.
I will be in the sea (without phoning the coastguard) tomorrow (Wednesday) at 13:00 if anyone would like to join me in the sin bin. I will attach a copy of the email I sent recently.

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#39 23-06-2009 07:04:49

Dennis Warner
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Copy of my reply to the coast-guard who requested that I phone them every time I enter the water. As we all swim in an area set aside for recreational swimming (inside the yellow buoys) I found this email to be a real wind-up as you can see from my response.


"I appreciate your concern. However the person reported was most likely not one of our group. We had seven people swimming at that time. Another person who was not attached to our group was already in the water when we arrived.

Please be aware of the following.

There is no legal requirement to notify anyone if you swim in the sea. Do you expect everyone who enters the water to let you know in advance?  I think not. I do not notify the police every time I go for a ride on my cycle or the council if I go for a run.

Swimming in the sea is a normal activity and one of the few activities that is still frankly free from interference from overbearing authorities.

If I notify you every time I swim in the sea I am sure it will lead to:-

Having to let you know when I exit the sea.
Letting you know the name and details of those who swim with me.
Taking a register of those taking part.
Having a list of contact details of those involved in the activities.

I will then be deemed to be responsible for the group. Next:-
I will have to perform a risk assessment each time we enter the water.
Have to provide some form of safety cover such as rescue craft.
Have lifeguards on stand-by.
Be required to have some form of insurance cover.
Have a CRB check if anyone is under the age of consent.

I understand there is a risk involved in swimming in the sea. However, I consider the risk of drowning to be much less than that of being killed or seriously injured on my bike. I take sensible precautions:-
I check the conditions. If it is too rough I don't swim.
If it is foggy, I do not swim.
Generally I swim with others - although not always.
I wear a wet-suit to prevent hypothermia.
I wear a heavy duty swim hat for the same reason and to provide visibility to other water-users.
I swim inside the area where power craft are not permitted. (Jet-skier often break these rules - but that is another story).
In most cases we have someone ashore to watch our gear and to be on hand if needed.
If a weak swimmer joins our group we often 'buddy-up' with them.
I always count swimmers in and make sure we have the same number coming out.
If the sea-front warden is on hand I let him know we are swimming.

I am sure in time to come there will be procedures in place to prevent people like me going for a swim in the sea.
I foresee a time when:-
•    Anyone who enters the sea has to notify the coastguard.
•    Have a licence to enter the water.
•    Provide evidence of training and be insured in case of accident.
•    The sea may one day be deemed to be an unsafe area. The council will erect a fence around the coast to prevent access to the water.

What a sad world we all live in.

From this email you may deduce that I am in charge of any group of swimmers. This is not the case. I do not take charge frankly because I do not want the responsibility. I swim when I want and invite others to join me. I would like to formalise everything but am reluctant to do so because of people like you who would hold me responsible for the group.
I do what I can to ensure I am safe and cause no problems to others. In doing so, I try to provide an informal structure so others less confident than me can enjoy the freedom of swimming in a natural environment without interference from others.

I am sure that during the summer months you will have thousands of people swimming in the sea off Dovercourt. Perhaps if this of such a concern to you there should be life-guards on duty as there is at Clacton-on-Sea."

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#40 23-06-2009 09:52:17

Miranda Rayner
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Great! Bet you don't get a reply but if you do please let us know.

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#41 24-06-2009 12:57:51

Claire Bransby
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Well done Jason - you did so well.

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#42 27-06-2009 09:19:59

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I am swimming sunday if anyone wish's to join me i will be at the usual place at 3.30pm (i have one confirmed novice if he shows lol)
Dennis has warned me not to phone the coastguard! i can't think why?   big_smile

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#43 29-06-2009 17:42:37

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I am swimming tomorrow, tuesday if anyone wish's to join me i will be at the usual place at 1800hrs (i have one confirmed novice lol)

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#44 01-07-2009 10:02:34

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I am swimming today, wednesday if anyone wish's to join me i will be at the usual place at 1830hrs (i have one confirmed novice poss two! lol)

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#45 02-07-2009 15:18:18

Dennis Warner
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I will be swimming tomorrow (Friday) at the usual location. I hope to be there by 09:30, but have to have some vacinations first, so may be a little late if the medical centre is behind schedule.

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#46 06-07-2009 20:55:29

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I will be swimming tomorrow (Tuesday) at the usual slope at 11.15 if anyone wishes to join me?

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#47 12-07-2009 19:11:25

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I will be swimming tomorrow (monday) at the usual slope at 15.00 (3pm)smile if anyone wishes to join me?

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#48 13-07-2009 19:49:18

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I will be swimming again tomorrow (tuesday) meet at the usual slope at 15.00 (3pm) smile if anyone wishes to join us There will be a 'MR ultra swim' for those interested? smile

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#49 16-07-2009 21:38:37

Paul Kerrison
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

I will be swimming again tomorrow (friday) meet at the usual slope at 18.00 (6pm) smile if anyone wishes to join us There will be a 'MR ultra swim' for those interested? smile

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#50 20-07-2009 20:44:30

Mark Rutter
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Re: Sea Swimming Practice at Dovercourt Promenade

Anybody fancy a sea swim tomorrow? I'll be at usual slope at 11.30 (HT 11:45) for a 'PK super ultra' .

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